Now interested in the solution, not holding on to the problem: Shabana Azmi

Shabana Azmi’s had a career most actresses her age would be envious of. She’s constantly and bravely gone against the grain and accepted norm to deliver performances that in retrospect, will go down in history, as part of her rather strong legacy. Also, she is one to call a spade a spade and doesn’t mince words when getting her point across.

As she turns 66 and we sit down to have a conversation, one cannot think of any other actress who has impacted mainstream and arthouse cinema as profoundly as she has. Excerpts...

It’s been a good year, right?

It has. The appreciation I received for Neerja, particularly from my industry colleagues, made me wonder if I had done anything worthwhile before! It was overwhelming.

Do you see the challenging roles coming your way at the pace you’d like?

I do think it’s a golden period for actors because all kinds of films are being made: mainstream, parallel, middle-of-the-road, independent films, etc. I’m doing comedy, drama, negative roles, etc. Earlier, I largely had dramatic, heroic roles on my plate. At one point Aparna Sen said to me, “Your off-screen persona is becoming so dominant that your choice of roles will get affected.” That remark set me thinking because I’ve been trained in the Stanislavsky Method that says an actor should be able to prefix the words, ‘If I were..a queen, a slum dweller, a whore..’ And be able to inhabit the world of that character with truth.

Do you choose roles only when they match your own political aesthetic and moral sensibilities?

It’s a difficult choice. When I did Godmother, feminists were annoyed with me. They said, ‘We want women to enter politics, but if someone like you plays a woman politician who is corrupt, you hurt our cause’. I tried explaining that the director Vinay Shukla was looking at the film from the lens of caste politics, not gender politics. Plus, it was a layered part that doesn’t come one’s way that often. From then on, I decided that I would do a variety of roles, provided of course, that they didn’t promote patriarchy or communalism.

Which are the films you’re working on right now?

I’ve just completed Piyush Panjuani’s Idgaah, based on Munshi Premchand’s story of the same name. We shot in Gulmarg and I was happy to be filming there after so many years. The place was teeming with tourists and it seemed normalcy had finally returned to the Valley. Within days of our pack-up, the peace was shattered as if kisiki nazar lag gayi. Heart-wrenching. I’ve also just completed an American production Signature Move, directed by Jennifer Reeder and executive produced by Michael Shannon who played Elvis in the film Elvis & Nixon.

What else?

What do you mean,what else? Aur kitna karoon? I’m carrying on with theatre productions — IPTA’s Kaifi Aur Main and Alyque Padamsee’s Broken Images, written by Girish Karnad. I’m also doing a TV serial Amma, where I play a mafia don.

As you grow a year older, what emotional changes do you see within yourself?

I have mellowed and am interested in the solution, not in holding on to the problem. I am willing to really listen to the other person’s point of view. I believe that dialogue must remain the only option to resolving problems. I also party very little and prefer to hang out with my family and close circle of friends. In fact, I’m becoming more of a ghar ghussad (homebody) than ever before. I travel so much that I have little energy for the social scene.

How has Indian society changed, according to you?

Indian society is in a position of transition. Women are coming into their own, but violence against women has the tacit approval of societies all over the world. Men are mostly stuck in their sense of entitlement because we continue to be a patriarchal society. It worries me also that communalism is getting more deeply entrenched in our society because political parties continue to use it as a tool for vote- bank politics.

You have always been one of the strongest voices of protest in our country. What is the one issue that bothers you the most among our many societal failings?

Social injustice. That people continue to be passive recipients rather than active participants in the democratic process. That the development model successive governments have adopted over the years has led to a greater divide between the rich and the poor. That after 70 years we still haven’t been able  to provide drinking water, housing, education health services to all. That GDP continues to be the yardstick of progress rather than the human development index.

What makes heroes and role models so scarce in our country?

Heroes are created by either a great ideology or a great struggle. At present, all over the world, we see an absence of both. That’s why we don’t have heroes like Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr or Nelson Mandela who used non-violence as the only alternative for freedom. Today, Donald Trump is in the running for a position once held by Lincoln! They don’t make them like that anymore. Democracy, as necessary as it is — and I wouldn’t trade it for any other system — has an inherent flaw. Electoral politics forces leaders to take short-term populist decisions that can get them re-elected. But real development can only happen when you plan 20 to 50 years ahead. It’s also necessary that successive governments do not reverse projects that have been put in place by previous governments .And please, let history not become a handmaiden of the political dispensation of the day!

How do you look back at your marriage to Javed?

With satisfaction and gratitude. There is no person other than Javed that I would have rather been married to. He makes me laugh, he makes me think, he pushes me to push myself but basically that he and I share the same worldview. Touchwood, a thousand times over.

Finally, if you had to change one thing in your life, what would it be?

That I would learn how to cook!!