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James Laine's book does not denigrate Shivaji
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The brouhaha over James Laine's book by various politicians and Maratha outfits would have been funny were it not so sad actually. All of them are objecting to one particular line in what is otherwise a very fine book and one that should be read by all those who revere the memory of Shivaji. Most of all, it should be read by the very same Maratha groups who claim the book insults Shivaji.
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The book does no such thing. James Laine is not a historian. He is a professor of religious studies. His book: 'Shivaji - Hindu king in Islamic India' is not a book on Shivaji life but on how Shivaji's legacy has been appropriated by various castes and communities to further their own ends. In that, it is a scholarly attempt that looks at how Shivaji is portrayed in the various history books. Thus, as Laine points outs, Dalits see him as the champion of the outcastes because he was one king who employed their services in his fight against his enemies; Hindutva historians see him merely as a Hindu king ranged against Muslims, seeking to establish a Hindu swarajya; Marathas see him only as their foremost leader who fought Muslim rulers on one side and Brahmin bigotry on the other side; while Brahmins have written about Shivaji as a king who achieved greatness because he was guided by Brahmin sant and advisors. Laine brilliantly elucidates that if one were to only read Shivaji's history as written by the Brahmins' (excluding the Saraswat Brahmins, who were badly treated by the other Brahmins), Shivaji achieves greatness only because his Brahmin advisors guided him. Thus, such historians overplay the role of Sant Ramdas as one who literally showed Shivaji every step of the way. In fact, a popular image of shivaji that can be seen in any shop in Maharashtra is Shivaj sitting besides Sant Ramdas, who is pointing his hand in one direction, thus conveying the image of a Shivaji who was simply led by Ramdas. Thus, Brahmin historians tend to gloss over how Shivaji had to undergo purification rites before being crowned chhatrapati to overcome the objections of Brahmins in the 17th century. But if the history is written by non-Brahmin (including Saraswats), Shivaji is shown as an independent-minded person who took his own decisions. And of course, they do mention about Shivaji's humiliation at the hands of Brahmins before his coronation. Nowhere in the book is Laine derogatory about Shivaji or the Marathas; if anything, it was laudable that an American professor based in the US should spend so much time and energy on writing about a man who founded the Maratha nation and is hailed by virtually all Maharashtrians, regardless of their caste, and who foreign scholars find so interesting to study. He deserves accolades, not brickbats. Instead, we have a bunch of politicians who are seeking to further their own foundering careers by attacking him for merely writing, and as he mentioned it, what Brahmins joke about. If anyone must be blamed for that, it is the Maharashtrian Brahmins who crack such jokes amongst themselves (and one presumes when out of hearing range of the Sambhaji Brigade and the Thackerays). But what we have is the ridiculous spectacle of political groups and outfits attacking the messenger, James Laine, for merely stating what he has heard. Of course, it is far easier to shoot the messenger, and particularly if, as is the case of James Laine, he is a foreigner, rather than actually find the persons who crack such jokes. It does not show their power but the utter lack of it. The real tragedy is these people think they are the successors of Shivaji. That, too, would have been funny were it not so sad.
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By hoy BraahmaNach Jun 17, 2011
Listen up, Bigots. I'm Braahman and I don't care whether any braahmans crack such jokes. I just know I haven't. My house was burnt by Marathas in 1948. A braahman girl was attacked with acid by a maratha boy in my city as a result of one-sided love. If I have to go by same logic as you, shall I do the same with marathas? I sure can. Answer me and then attack Braahmans. Even the author of this article has got no right to generalise about Braahmans.
Shivaji Maharaj was no doubt a great and just king who was not only loved by Hindus of the time but also Muslims. The navy of Shivaji Maharaj was headed by a Muslim Pathan. The Mughals were not barbarians. They established a great nation which they called Hindustan. Indian arts and culture flourished under the rule of the Mughals as never before. India became a superpower and the richest nation on earth under the Mughals. Of course the Mughal dynasty had its black sheep in the name of Aurangzeb, as every era will. Independent India has only had black sheep ruling over it. And as for the allegation of forceful conversion of Hindus to Islam, one wonders what stopped the Mughals from forcefully converting the whole population of Hindustan to Islam even after more than 800 years' rule.
you are out of your senses, digant
By Satish Kamat Dec 28, 2010
I am of the strong feeling or opinion that escape of Shivaji from Agra was a political compromise between Shivaji and Aurangzeb.
By karale rajesh Oct 8, 2010
saint ramdas was not shivaji's guru. There isn't any written clue that shows they ever met in person. mr. digant you need to read more articles on shivaji's history. that picture is a fake.
Dear Amberish K Diwanji, what you have said and written above along with James Laine, have you ever been to maharastra? I suppose it is funny if not sad if you have not. I have been reading Shivaji's articles and history for the past few years and I am a Brahmin. IN BOLD LETTERS: THERE IS NO SUCH JOKE I HAVE HEARD OF.
Point 2: Can you give me some references of the biographies written by Brahmins on Shivaji?
Point 3: Saint Ramdas was his spiritual guide and the finger pointing was that of a guru showing direction to his student.
Point 4: There are two ways of looking at a glass half filled... either it is half empty or half filled. You and James Laine are referring to it as half empty. I respect you and you have more experience than me in terms of age. I am sorry if I was rude.
By karale rajesh Sep 6, 2010
mr.mandar joshi, not all marathi brahmans make those cheap comments about MAHARAJ but the dirty BHANDARKARI MINDS had given birth to that comment about Shivaji Maharaj. And for your kind information, MAHATMA JYOTIRAO FULE started the SHIV JAYANTI utsav in India, not Tilak Maharaj.
i agree with you, ambarish... maharashtrian brahmins always tried to establish their supremacy over other communities. thus it is possible that they made such cheap comments about shivaji maharaj before james laine and he mentioned it in his book. Thanks for this thoughtful blog.
Amberish K Diwanji says:
Let us not denigrate everyone with the same brush. It is in the end about individuals. Some of Maharashtra's (and India's) greatest men, who have done outstanding work for the people and the country, have been Brahmins (eg, the Rani of Jhansi was a Maharashtrian Brahmin), and fought very hard to create a just and equal society. I am not against any community, just against banning books. Our politicians like to ban books because it is easy to do so.
In the land where Shivaji is revered as GOD, such loose and irresponsible comments cannot be tolerated. Laine has written irresponsibly. Nobody in Maharashtra jokes about what Laine claims in his book. He can't be called a scholar by any angle. Just writing a book does not make him a scholar. We do not require Laine's scholarship if he does not possess basic qualities of decency. He is only a sensationalist which may be tolerated in Western culture; certainly not in India.
Amberish, you said that Shivaji was always guided by some group of brahmins. He always took his decision with their help. You also said that, according to "Saraswat Brahmins", he was an independent decision maker. Then answer this:
1) Have you gone to each of the brahman from each of the category and published this nonsense?
2) If this is the fact, when Chhatrapati Shivaji was in Agra Jail, tell me, at that time, was the decision of escaping from Agra taken with the help of anybody? Man, let me tell you, it was the brilliance of that man.
Remember, clapping cannot be done single-handedly.
Shivaji maharaj was a great leader and nobody can deprive him of his place as such. Disputing his paternity even in an oblique manner is highly deplorable and an attempt to mock at indian (not only marathi) sentiments. But burning or banning books and desecrating libraries is no way to protest. KARNA was no less respected though he was born to an unwed mother. Laine by quoting such sentences of hearsay has shown of what merit his book is. A great man like Shivaji maharaj should be judged by his works, not by circumstances of his birth, although looking at our conservativeness especially so at SHIVAJI MAHARAJ'S time it is highly improbable that such events could have occurred. Anyway a westerner is never sure of his paternity and this may have reflected in Laine's statements. (I AM NOT A MARATHI, BRAHMAN I AM, THAT TOO NORTH INDIAN -- for RAJ THACKERAY'S information.)
Making Shivaji a god means depriving him of his cumbersome work on all fronts against Brahmins who believed in their supremacy over others, against oppressive rulers irrespective of religion, his idea of religious tolerance, and going against Brahman to bring back people who wanted to return from Islam to Hindustan (note that they were forcefully converted).
Those who say Ramdas was his guru are not able to establish the truth by using any authentic source. Sources provided were written in the time of the peshwas, who were trying to prove Brahman supremacy.
Further, James Laine has not been able to provide any proof of his controversial statement about Shivaji's biological father. What he mentions is that people of those times were making such casual remarks. Let me bring to your notice that during that time only Brahmans were able to read and write and their authority on religion was questioned by Shivaji, that is why these people may have made such jokes about him.
Secondly, James Laine doesn't know if such a thing actually existed. His guide or library of corresponding institution must be holding such books which were biased. He can't have made such a statement without the consent of his guide.
THE REAL CULPRITS ARE HIDING IN THESE BRAHMINICAL INSTITUTIONS.
@Shweta,
Yes. Chhatrapati Shivaji Mararaj is a God for many of us. What different a God can be? Whatever he did for the motherland is eventually work done by God. This is a democratic country, but then democracy has always been taken in the wrong fashion by many (including you). If you were a true Indian, then you should have felt sad for the words used in the book to criticize Shivaji Maharaj.
@ Ashwin, if you haven't heard any Marathi Brahmin say anything derogatory about Shivaji, does that mean no Brahmin anywhere has done such a thing? Yes, Shivaji is treated as an icon in Maharashtra, but that does not mean there are no detractors. Everybody has their detractors. People may not speak openly for fear of being beaten up, but that does not mean they do not speak at all.
Besides, in the rest of India, Shivaji is not an icon. Only in the past 20-30 years have attempts been made to portray him as such. We must remember that until about 200 years ago we used to be a loose collection of independent kingdoms, all fighting one another. So the only real pan-India icons we have are religious figures or those from the independence struggle and the post-independence era.
Amberish,
I have not heard any marathi brahmin speak anything abusive or derogatory against Shivaji Maharaj. I challenge you to show me an instance of the same. He is deeply revered with all classes of our society. The statement from you regarding 'jokes' and linking it to the Brahmins is uncalled for and in bad taste.
I urge DNA to review the blogs before they are posted. Whatever is written should be backed up by facts.
I have read many books written on Shivaji Maharaj by Brahmins. Nowhere is it mentioned that he is great only because of the saints or advisers. Again, show me a specific book in which this reference has been made.
All of us consider Shivaji Maharaj as an independent, farsighted leader.
I believe no one quoted Shivaji as God. He was a phenomenal persona having immense love for motherland. It’s a disgrace to see some commentators considering it silly to respect national heroes and recall their selflessness.
We all try to divulge high regard for India and express concern over inflation and government lethargy. However, little pains are taken to prevail over those dilemmas. Today, personal interests surmount national responsibilities, and in the midst of this, how can one overlook greats who put their lives at stake for the sake of the motherland?
I am happy to see many commentators having an aversion to James Laine’s book and the views articulated therein. This shows our love and respect for all who had the fortitude to rise for the nation. There is still an opportunity for a few who prefer concentrating on their work and being self-seeking to change their mind-set. Respecting Shivaji Maharaj, Bhagat Singh or Rani Laxmi might not offer you pecuniary benefits, but, beyond doubt, it will present the vanity of being an Indian where many greats inhabited.
I think commentators are taking things literally. Remember one thing: Shivaji was a great ruler but he was foremost a human being and let's not treat him like a God! He did what he did in his time in those circumstances. Why are you folks fighting for him now? Did he tell you to?
This is a democratic country. Some people will like you, some won't. So? Why are you taking things so seriously as if he were you? To each his/her opinion. This is no reason to fight for, we have other important things to think of like the price rise, apathy of the government, etc. Taking up issues of the past is being silly.
Hey folks, live in the present, forget the past, what's gone is gone. Shivaji was a soul performing his karma, why not concentrate on yours?
To all those who wish to ban James Laine's books... you are no different from the persons who issued fatwa against Salman Rushdie. To all those, please ponder over this quote by Voltaire: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
Unless this attitude becomes our religion, India has no right to call itself a democracy.
This blog post does not in any way incite hatred for Hindus or Brahmins or Maharashtrian Brahmins. It is about a book that was written after some research (Pune-based Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute) and the dirty politics that followed. Many narrow-minded people have made it a religious issue for their own gains as the author has correctly pointed out. Hope some sense prevails among us true Indians!
By Hemantkumar Goswami Jul 31, 2010
Apart from a very clear understanding of what is correct and what is not, even a semi-blind and deaf person would be able to point out your hate towards Hindus.
I know you are not so known and popular in India or maybe in your own city. But if I write a book that talks about untrue relations of your mother or sister, will you tolerate it? Clear answer to this is NO.
Similarly, for Hindus and India, Shivaji is our true father and not Mr. Gandhi. Please stop your common sense or should I say nonsense?
Do not interfere by depicting and interpreting Hinduism in your own light and taste.
If you and others don't stop defaming us, we will have no option but to follow the same path as you and bring your history on the roads.
Jai Hind!
I totally agree with Deepak & Mandar. I'd also like to add that Chhatrapati Shivaji is the most revered personality as far as Marathi Hindus are concerned. He is a cult figure and we derive inspiration from his legacy. He was our saviour from the invaders & barbarians who invaded this great country. No child true to the soil of Maharashtra and India will ever have doubts about the heroics of this great king. It is said that a true and proud Marathi child grows up drawing a profile of Maharaj, however bad he may be at drawing, and feels proud of his own lineage. People like Laine, who have scant respect for the ethos of the masses and who deliberately and teasingly pen false anecdotes, should be deplored. And people like Amberish, who have no idols to revere and who are groomed and educated with a defeatist mindset in missionary schools whose mala fide intent are well known, will find nothing objectionable in this malicious literature. Sometimes it is felt that the recent spurt of maligning the heroes, culture and ethos of our country is a deliberate move by the neo-imperialists to enslave the country again. I hope and pray that like Chhatrapati Shivaji saved us from invaders, someone will save us from the present-day invasion.
Amberish, this blog conveniently stereotypes castes into simple equations. I have not read Laine's book, but your blog by any measure is caste biased. It also clearly demonstrates your ANTI-Brahmin bias. Tell me again, why do you hate them so much? Where thousands of Maharashtrian Brahmins would have written and praised Shivaji giving a variety of reasons, you easily stereotype all of them in one simple sentence. The same goes for all the other castes. Indian history simplified by Laine and supported by Amberish. Thanks for spreading hate.
By Rohitkumar Jul 29, 2010
The clarification by Akshay P in his comment below is understood.
I must say, though, that Amberish Diwanji had nothing to do with the comment that I made. We do not know each other.
My good wishes to all.
It is tricky to discover why Amberish used the name “Rohitkumar” to justify his views. At the outset, whatever nattered by the author here is not a subject. It’s a manifestation of Laine’s idiocy, which is to an extent supported by Amberish. Subsequently, it would be unwise to think or delve into what is being said. I believe the intention of most commentators was to impede the author from lettering anything that can impair public sentiment. Amateurish journalism and filthy politics have blemished the reputation of many greats. Besides several unsung heroes, even the ones who were highly thought of by Indians have been slowly vanishing from public memory.
By Rohitkumar Jul 27, 2010
Nowhere in his blog does Amberish Diwanji claim to have talked to Brahmins, or to have heard them cracking jokes about Shivaji Maharaj. All along he is merely quoting James Laine, the author of the book. But the commentators are quick to conclude that, just because they haven't heard any Brahmin joking about Shivaji Maharaj, he has got to be not only wrong, but also anti-Brahmin, anti-Hindu, of low calibre, etc.
Gandhiji, a Gujarati, was also a great hero, like Shivaji Maharaj. Many Gujaratis were joking about him, and were also criticizing him, during his lifetime, and are doing so even today. So, what makes the commentators so sure that the Brahmins — a vast community — were, or are, not joking about Shivaji Maharaj? If a great hero like Gandhiji was joked about, and criticized (and even shot), is it not likely that another hero, Shivaji Maharaj, may have also been joked about, and criticized?
Apparently, the commentators have not thought well, or searched the subject well, before commenting.
Mr.Amberish Diwanji, i found your writing lamentable. I am a Brahmin, and frequent visitor to renowned Brahmin societies. Never during my life have I found anybody telling jokes over our great leader. Bloggers, off late, tend to write religious columns that can potentially call for debates. When people of Amberish's calibre (read abysmal) cannot exert a pull on the audience by sensible writing, they try to inscribe such blogs. Mr. Amberish, please understand you're just adding hot air to the volcanic cloud of unknowingness. Get back to the basics, you can still be a good writer. Good luck!
Did you read the following comment from www.complete-review.com which I found after Googling for 5 minutes? It might suggest that Laine's book is not as scholarly as one might think, and that one should be careful about accepting everything one reads at face value:
'The statement in the book that appears to have provoked the greatest outrage is the mention that it has been suggested that Shivaji's father was not Shahaji, Laine writing: "Maharashtrians tell jokes naughtily that Shivaji’s biological father was Dadoji Kondeo Kulkarni" {deleted} The claim is also widely considered unfounded and gratuitous; apparently this particular 'naughty joke' is not familiar to most Maharashtrians (or at least none appear to have come forward acknowledging that they've heard this sort of banter).'
One has to wonder why Laine felt the need to make up this kind of "fact".
Amberish, whether James Laine denigrated Chhatrapati Shivaji is a different question, but you seriously need to learn how to respect great people like "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj". In the whole article, you have called him "Shivaji", which shows your disrespect. Learn something before writing columns.
i would have loved to read his book but cannot as it has been banned in our state.
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